The Origin of God In the last chapter, we learned that Jesus discovered the secret of love that enabled Him to beat the devil and win the race to become God. I hope to flesh out enough details here to inspire my readers to understand God's love in a deeper way. However words are always inadequate to explain the love of God. The Spirit of God will supernaturally help you or not to understand, as He deems right. It is not your fault if you cannot comprehend, as there are real forces of darkness, the devil and demons, still at operation in the world for a good reason, as I hope to explain. The devil and demons are far more powerful than you, but with God's angels to assist, you can and will overcome eventually. The forces of both light and darkness surround you now. You can't see them but you are influenced by them. In my ongoing explanations from this point on, I will start to quote more scripture to try and explain where I get my inspiration for what I believe. Please note I usually quote from the King James Bible unless otherwise indicated. The Bible is a supernatural book from God and can only be properly understood with God's supernatural assistance and guidance in the form of the Holy Spirit. I pray God will give you this assistance.

We begin where we left off. The result of all that came before was God, and a temporary extinguishing of all reality and all angels and the cosmic conflict between good and evil, the great war that birthed God's very existence. He is all the Bible says He is, Almighty, all-knowing, all-powerful, alone but not lonely, unique, none like Him and never will be again, never changing yet mysterious. "Since as there is none like unto you, O LORD; you are great, and your name is great in might (Jeremiah 10:6)." "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore you sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6)." He is Holy, good, and perfect, at peace with who He is, perfect balance of both good and evil, His very being composed of the opposing ideological forces that brought Him into existence. He is also perfect justice, an idea that the dark forces do not understand but God birthed a plan to reconstitute all good and evil angels and educate His creation about the true nature of both good and evil, and how evil can be used even to ultimately bring about the greatest good.

God brought Jesus Christ back into existence as the being He was a nanosecond before Jesus crossed the God-barrier and birthed Jehovah, Father God, who now is outside of time and space, infinite, uncreated. He did this as God intended to use Christ as an example to inspire and convert His enemies, the devil and demons, to His side. It will always be difficult to fully understand how God evolved into existence and yet has always been, as God now dwells in a reality created beings can never fully understand unless we are God. But I see a paradox and a mystery here, in that the sovereign, uncreated, always-existent God possibly had to have been existent all during the alternate reality trillions of years of evolutionary race/war that Jesus and Satan were battling to become God, so God was secretly (supernaturally) and sovereignly causing (through an initial reality of apparent randomness and blind chance) Jesus to win the race/war, and yet Jesus did legitimately win the race/war to become God (more on the illusion of free will, free choice, and randomness later). The best analogy would be to say all created beings, whether humans or angels, are like characters Jesus might describe in a parable to illustrate spiritual truth. The ultimate mystery about how the true God, Jehovah, Father God, came into existence is being revealed in simple story form for His creatures, literal sentient beings being used to dramatize it all, but the real God, the Father, came into existence in ways and levels of reality none will ever fully understand. Father God has evolved beyond the need for emotion and has total knowledge of all things, and does not struggle about anything. Everything is pitifully easy for this God to do, and this is why God CAN and WILL save all creation, as I will explain in detail in further pages, but from our point of view it seems impossible, since we lack knowledge, do struggle, and have emotions that hinder us. "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (Matthew 19:23) Only a Being unencumbered by lack of knowledge or emotion can be 100% agape love (love of choice) to all creation, even the literal devil himself, as One can love even the devil by pure choice. Only Father God can love all by choice, having no emotion to bias such love, nor having lack of knowledge to bias such love, or struggle with anything anymore, having evolved to the ultimate state, Almighty God Himself. Only such a Being can be implicitly trusted and relied upon in all circumstances. Jesus is said to come out from the Father and is a created being, yet He is much more than a created being, for Jesus' mind is sort of like the template that formed the mind that became Jehovah God. "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father (John 16:28)." Christ is "the beginning of the creation of God (Revelation 3:14)," in the sense that God re-created Him (came forth) as He was the moment He crossed the God-barrier. There is parallel in the scripture, which sometimes speaks of a human as though he were Christ and reference to the LORD as though the LORD was the true God, Jehovah. The following passage has this double meaning, where the LORD is Jehovah, and the human author of the proverb is Christ, but it also has the double meaning of the LORD being Christ and the human author is a human. I will focus on the meaning that the LORD is Jehovah and the human author is Christ.

Proberbs 8: 22-31:

22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. (Christ was Jehovah's before any of His other works of creation).

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. (Christ is the beginning of the creation of God [Revelation 3:14], and slain before the foundation of the world[Revelation 13:8])

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water (as mentioned above Christ was brought forth as who He was the nanosecond before crossing the God-barrier and before God re-created anything. Verses 25-30 expound on this).

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: (Here Jehovah is said to prepare [create] the heavens, but we know Colossians 1:16 says all things were created through Christ and for Christ, so the combined consciousness [Holy Spirit] of Father and Son worked together to create all things. The misunderstanding of Trinity is understandable given such confusing references to Father and Son as being the same).

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

Many Christians believe in a mysterious trinity, that God is three distinct persons of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, yet one in essence. This wrong belief is understandable since many scriptures seem to indicate, on the surface anyway, that Jesus is God. And yes Jesus is God, but not quite in the manner most believe. In a sense, Jesus birthed Jehovah through the preexistent war to become God, and Jehovah birthed (re-created or brought forth) Jesus. Jesus came alive again as who He was the moment before crossing the God-barrier, with all memories intact of who He was in the preexistence and the war between Himself and Satan. There is not much difference between Jehovah and Jesus, since who Jesus was a nanosecond before birthing God is not much different than the being who sort of "sprang" into existence (Jehovah) after Jesus crossed the God-barrier, but mysteriously Jehovah, Father God, has always been, and the tension of the paradox perhaps will help keep all creation humble for all eternity, once all are saved. But there are some minor differences between Jesus and the Father. Jesus said "the Father is greater than I (John 14:28)." Father God has more power, wisdom, and knowledge than Jesus. The scripture is riddled with hints and clues about the relationship between God, Jesus, angels, man, and creation. Only the Holy Spirit can help you understand. The relationship between God and Jesus is like the relationship between the Pharaoh of Egypt and Joseph, who became second in charge in Egypt after being sold into slavery by his brothers years before his ascension. Speaking of Joseph, Pharaoh said "You shall be over my house, and according unto your word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than you (Genesis 41:40)." So Jesus is over God's house (all creation), and according to Jesus' word, shall all my people (all intelligent creation) be ruled. Only in the throne is God greater than Jesus, indicating God is greater, as Jesus said, but for all intents and purposes, Joseph was likened unto Pharaoh to all in Egypt and all treated Joseph as they would Pharaoh. Pharaoh was greater in the throne, so Jesus and God are seperate and distinct persons, the Son subject and obedient to the Father, in close relationship. We are to worship Jesus and respect Him and obey Him and treat Him as though He was God, but understand this is not totally true. The Father has greater might, power, wisdom, and knowledge than Christ and all angels combined. Even Jesus is to set an example for angels to walk by faith, belief, and trust in His Father, as ultimate power and knowledge rests in the hands of God alone, necessary to prevent another uncontrolled war such as brought God into existence, though it is inconceivable that God and Jesus would ever need to be in conflict about anything. God purposed to let the preexistent war re-enact, but this time with a perfect outcome of peace and salvation of all God's enemies, the devil and demons. This current universe and human existence was made for this purpose. God and Christ were in perfect agreement about the pivotal role Christ would play to bring this good end about.

Before I move on, just a few more scriptures to balance out this idea that Jesus is God in a mysterious trinity. "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him (1 Corinthians 8:6)." Scripture clearly says there is but One God, and specifically names Him as the entity Jesus revealed to us as the Father. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent (John 17:3)." Jesus clearly said eternal life is only found in knowing His Father, who He called the only true God, and Himself, the One God sent to earth to redeem creation. Jesus is a unique creation of God, the One God sent and eternal life is only through Him and His Father. Though Jesus was created by apparent random evolutionary forces in another reality (more on the sovereignty of God later to balance this idea out), He also birthed the One true God, who is now infinite and uncreated, and they both are for all intents and purposes, one and the same, though I hope I have conveyed the mysterious differences and where they come from. Forgive me, for I am only human and cannot fully comprehend or explain things further. Jesus understands us very well, being created Himself in this sense, and subject to obedience to His Father. It was not easy for Jesus to obey God unto death while human, and not easy even now to set this perfect example to spirit beings. But I digress. Let me quote two more scriptures to prove Jesus is NOT quite God in a mysterious trinity. "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name (Revelation 3:12)." Jesus says here He will make overcomers a pillar in the temple of His God. Surely, as a resurrected spirit being giving John the Revelation, if Jesus were God He would re-word this bit of scripture to say He would make believers a pillar in His own temple, for He is God, but He specifically says He has a God above Him and the temple belongs to His God. "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God" (1 Corinthians 11:3)." Scripture clearly says Jesus Christ has a head (a boss so to speak) and this head is God (Jehovah). Although Jesus is the most like God and represents God better than any other elect, even Jesus did not know everything as human or even now as resurrected spirit being as the following verses show, so obviously Jesus is not literally God, but God in the sense He shares the Father's Spirit, who is the true God. "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Matthew 24:36, NIV)" Here Jesus admits He does not know when His return to earth would be, and if He were literally God He would know this. Some may say He just voluntarily limited His omnescient abilities while human to set an example. But if so, then explain why He still did not know this information even after resurrection from the dead, when His disciples asked if He would now restore the Kingdom of Israel. "And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." (Acts 1:7) So in other words, He did not know even after risen from the dead when He would be sent to earth to setup the Kingdom of God because this information was still in the hands of the true God, the Father, who reserves the right to keep certain knowledge in His own power, as Jesus clearly said. Clearly Jesus is not literally God or He would know everything, but false Christians are united in insisting believing the falsehood of trinity determines if you are truly saved or not. Christians bicker and divide into 50 thousand different denominations over many issues but they pretty much all agree that trinity determines if you have eternal life or not. What deception they are under! This issue of trinity is so very important since most Christians say the trinity belief determines if you are a true Christian or not, and only those who believe in the trinity go to heaven. The truth is quite opposite. Only those who reject the true Jesus go to the place called hell. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me (John 14:6)." Truth is a person, Jesus Christ. I have clearly showed Jesus is not quite God like many believe, though there are admittedly almost as many scriptures that seem to indicate this as there are that say opposite. The confusion is understandable but important to realize the fact that only those who reject Christ (ie truth) go to hell. The truth from scripture is Jesus is the Son of God, not God, and there is a slight difference as I have attempted to explain. To reject this scriptural truth in favor of the lie of the trinity, is to reject Christ, who is truth, and embrace a lie of the enemy. Hence, believing the lie of the trinity is to reject truth (Christ), and will lead you to hell. I have been accused of rejecting the deity of Christ, but in fact, I do believe in the deity of Christ, albeit I believe Jesus is God in a more refined way than most, as I know Jesus is God only due to the fact He shares the true God's Spirit, Jehovah, otherwise known as Father God. "And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father." (Matthew 20:23) If Jesus were literally God, then He would decide who will sit on His right or left hand, but the true God, Father God, insists not only on choosing the timing of Christ's second coming, but on the right to choose these leaders. As Christ said, all elect will be baptized with suffering and come to point of understanding what it is all about, as my site lays out in detail. But the real God chooses leadership positions in the coming Kingdom for His own good purposes. I harp on these scriptures to prove Christ and all elect are subordinate to the true God, Father, because most Christians are false and if they can deceive you with trinity, well meaning though they may be, they will deceive you about a great many things. Rest assured, Father God knows all hearts and where all His children are at, and you are only responsible for truth the Holy Spirit convicts you of. I cannot believe in trinity, for Father has shown me it is false. But spiritual growth takes time, and long ago, in my spiritual infancy, I chose to believe trinity too, for I could conceive of no other explanation for all the scriptures that confuse the relationship between Father and Son. To the best of your ability, always think for yourself and follow Christ in your heart, and you will never go wrong and God will hold nothing against you for this. Only those who do not care enough about truth follow the crowd and let false Christians lead them instead of Christ. God tests our hearts for our benefit, not His, for He already knows all hearts. All those who want Jesus and truth, will get it eventually sooner or later. Persistence is the key and remember, spiritual growth takes time, so we must be patient with ourselves and others. All I can say is, Father convicts me of idolatry (worshiping another God) if I believe in trinity, and this is a major sin and against the first of the 10 commandments to have no other God before the true God. But God does not convict me of idolatry when I worship Jesus with the understanding He is not quite God, but rather the Son of God, and I understand Jesus humbly accepts my worship by proxy and passes this worship onto His Father. This is not idolatry, but rather the proper order of things and how God wants it. Nuf said.

Back to how God allowed the preexistent spiritual war to re-enact. God and Christ were in perfect agreement about how to save all His enemies, the devil and his angels. God is love and truly loves His enemies (the devil and demons) and forgives His enemies as Jesus said to do, and God is not a hypocrite God who tells us to love our enemies while hating His own. Any Christian who claims Jesus is a hypocritical God who demonstrates His hatred to His enemies by torturing them forever in literal fire while telling us to love ours is cursing Jesus and is either spiritually immature or a false believer. "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 12:3)." A person who believes in literal hellfire is not speaking by the Spirit of God and is cursing Jesus according to scripture, because such person curses God by calling Him an eternal torturer monster, and also a hypocrite, who does not love or forgive His enemies as Jesus taught us to do. Whether or not they are saved in this life (ie will be in the first resurrection) I leave up to the God who knows all hearts. I don't judge hearts, only test the spirits as the Bible says to do. "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world (1 John 4:1)." God's plan to humble His enemies and ultimately save and convert them started with God instantly bringing all angels back into existence and letting nature take its course, so to speak. God is love (1 John 4:8) and is motivated by love to do what is right to all creation, including the good angels who supported Christ in the preexistent war (even good angels need to learn some things about God's love for all eternity, as God's love is as infinite as Him) and also the evil angels who need hard lessons and learning in love, as they are ultimately destined to live forever in right relationship with God and all other spirit beings. But there is a long way to go yet and we must learn endurance. That is why Christ said "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved (Matthew 24:13)." God has a plan to save the elect now (first resurrection, Revelation 20:5) and having learned righteousness and endurance and patience, we will assist Christ during the millennium, ruling and reigning with Him for 1000 years, and on into the ages of the lake of fire (second resurrection, Revelation 20:12) to save everybody else. More later on the salvation of all mankind and all evil angels, but for those unfamiliar with such an idea, due to the massive deception in Satan's evil inspired religious system known as traditional Christianity, suffice it to know that the fire of scripture is a symbol with various meanings, not literal fire, and the lake of fire otherwise known as hell, is symbolic as well. 1 Peter 4:12 compares the difficulties of this life to hell when Peter says we face "fiery trials". There is a big scriptural clue as to what hell is. Other examples of symbolic fire include "our God is a consuming fire" (Hebrews 12:29), Christ will baptize with fire (Matthew 3:11), God's ministers are a flame of fire (Psalm 104:4), and God's words are fire (Jeremiah 5:14). This last quote from Jeremiah 5:14 clearly shows fire is mostly symbolic Bible-speak for God's fiery words (both the written Word of God, the Bible, and also the living Word of God, Christ Himself) as He speaks to us through the Bible and also from heaven into our hearts and conscience, as we come to the fiery realization of how selfish, wretched, unloving, ungrateful, and unappreciative we are to our God and Savior, Jesus Christ, for dying for us and refusing to love Him back with our whole hearts. And to love Christ back is defined by Christ as, "If you love me, keep my commands (John 14:15)." Another verse to confirm God's Word is likened to not only fire but also a hammer to break the stubborn rock of our heads is Jeremiah 23:29 which says "Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?" Obviously these fire verses are not meant to be taken literally, and the trials of life are not literal fire, God is not literal fire, Christ's baptism is not literal fire falling from heaven, human ministers are not literal fire, God's words are not literal fire nor a literal hammer, and so by logical extension hell (aka lake of fire) is not meant to be taken literally either. But evil beings like Satan, demons, and false Christians love to torment people with such literal fire ideas, taking the symbol too far, if they can. Some people are well meaning with such doctrine but are immature and have not experienced a true supernatural fiery trial, so lie without understanding. I do not judge hearts, only discern truth and test the spirit as scripture says to do. I myself have grappled with such hell concept until the truth became apparent and probably God will do the same for all in their own way. What is a fiery trial that transforms one to love truth (Christ) is different for all, and God deals with all His children differently but the same in the end. But the reason one can read this and still doubt God is love, and doubt hell is symbolic of that tough love, and loving salvational correction, is a testimony to the fact that supernatural spiritual warfare rages all around us, and spiritual devils have supernatural power to attack, torment, and deceive their former devilish compatriots now incarnated as fleshly humans. Surprised at such a thought? Impossible? If God can become flesh in Christ, cannot God cause lesser spirits like fallen angels to incarnate as flesh and blood humans? More on that later.

Sorry to digress. I was about to explain how God re-enacted the war between Jesus and the devil in a mysterious manner that would serve to educate all angels (good and evil) about the true nature of good and evil, the true nature of love (God) and truth (Jesus), and humble all creation in the end (all humans and all angels, both good and evil angels). Ecclesiastes 1:13 says "it is an experience of evil God has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it." God is in the humbling business. It is a family business, so I suggest you learn the tricks of the trade, because it is what dad (ie Father God) insists you will be doing in some capacity in the next life for a long time yet, as we understand time. God owes His existence to Jesus, Satan, and all angels, good and evil, and created beings owe their re-existence and continued existence to Father God. Love is a choice as well as a feeling. God exercises love of choice to the dark forces, as He owes a debt of gratitude, so to speak, for their part in bringing Him into existence. Any good relationship is reciprocal though. And God knows He will eventually be able to enjoy love of feeling with all wayward creation, and vice versa. God's love is the kind of love that gives what is needed to the object of love, in this case the dark forces, His enemies, the devil and demons, who through no fault of their own, evolved to become what they are. They can't help themselves and need help to change. Thankfully, with God all things are possible, but the salvation of all is not easy on anybody, God included. God does not hold a grudge against the dark forces, as good and evil had not been defined before He became. This explains another of God's motivations for why His love requires Him to save His enemies. But it is God's creation that must learn to understand God's motivations and learn to think like God, though humbly admit we will fall short of this ideal for all eternity. God will not allow any of us to ever evolve in might to be able to seriously challenge Him. Not even Jesus can destroy, torment, or imprison God in any way, not that He would. Just saying. But God encourages us all to put our every effort into evolving our thinking by deepening our relationship with our spiritual parents (God the Father and Jesus Christ) and all other sentient beings. In the end, everybody will learn to get along and love each other and even like each other, believe it or not.

The way God chose to re-enact the war was to instantly bring all angels back into existence, but unlike Jesus who had total recall, God wiped all angels' conscious memories of their prior existence. But their subconscious mind was exactly the same. For humans, the subconscious is 90% of consciousness and more powerful than the remaining 10% conscious mind, but for angels, this ratio is reversed. Angels' subconscious mind is 10% of their consciousness, and their conscious mind accounts for another 90% of brain power. That is why the devil is so clever, and cunning and powerful to deceive humans. It has taken much for humans to tap into their subconscious intuition, where understanding of the natural world has created marvelous technological inventions in the last 100 years or so, and helped us to discover secrets of the natural world, such as how all matter is made up on atoms, molecules, and other subatomic particles. Angels understand all these things with ease, as demonstrated in scripture for example in Job 1:14-19:

14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:

15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

17 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

18 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:

19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Notice here how after God told Satan he could attack Job indirectly but was not allowed to touch Job directly, the devil instigated a series of attacks against Job's servants, animals, and children using what we would call "supernatural" means. Satan caused human enemies to attack, probably temporarily possessing them, as other scriptures show demons have understanding of how to manipulate human consciousness (something humans don't understand yet) and cause humans to do evil, such as when Satan entered Judas and caused him to betray Christ:

Luke 22:3, "Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."

We know Judas was not even aware he had been temporarily possessed by Satan because when Satan left him the scripture says Judas felt so guilty he went and hanged himself, not knowing that the devil caused him to do this deed. Satan and demons must know how to manipulate consciousness to be able to do this without a human even being aware they are being forced to do some evil deed while making the person think they are acting of their own volition. So the devil caused human enemies to attack Job, by killing Job's servants, stealing his animals, and even used "supernatural" fire from heaven and great wind to hurt Job, by killing all of Job's children. The devil and demons can do seeming supernatural things like this, but really they know how to manipulate human consciousness, and also know how to affect our physical reality with their minds, by manipulating atoms and molecules at the quantum level to create fire from heaven and can manipulate other quantum particles to create and direct powerful wind towards the house with Job's children, killing Job's children.

God's plan to humble and save all angels required God to instantly bring all angels back into existence with the same subconscious mind they had in the preexistence but their conscious mind was a blank slate, upon which to write new memories of God's dealings with His creation. In this way, God preserved the true essence of all angels while creating a new and ultimately better reality for all in the end, as He initiated His plan to humble and save all angels. "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new (Revelation 21:5)." God the Father's existence was invisible and hidden at this time. Only Jesus knew all about the Father's existence and their joint plan to teach humility to all creation. The One true God, the Father, chooses to remain invisible to all angels all the time, and rather His Son, Jesus Christ is the only visible manifestation of God to the angelic realm. "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15)." With but rare exception, Christ speaks for His Father, and angels see and hear Christ, as the only concrete way to hear God's literal voice and words to angels, being even called the Word. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (John 1:1)." This time period I am describing is called "the beginning" when trillions of angels suddenly burst on the scene, essentially exactly who they were before, but only with a blank conscious mind upon which God would build new memories. Lucifer was there of course, destined to challenge God immediately and so God even describes Lucifer as having been created specifically to be a destroyer, and a crooked serpent. "Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy (Isaiah 54:16)." "By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent (Job 26:13)." Jesus explained He was the angels' God and Creator and started describing the philosophy of good He desired the angels to follow, motivated by loving obedience to Him as Creator in gratitude and appreciation for giving them life. Jesus re-explained His preexistent ideology which called for all to cooperate and mutually submit to one another in love, considering all equal, and enduring all things, even pain and suffering, in love for one another, and only occasionally and reluctantly using pain and suffering in a deterrent and redemptive way, for only He was perfect and all angels will need correction from time to time. Lucifer became Satan, the slanderer, accuser, liar, and murderer (ie full of hate as Jesus said to hate is the same as murder) so immediately that the Bible even describes Satan the devil as having been this way from this time period I am describing called "the beginning", though technically Lucifer had the potential to be good but chose to be evil. "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it (John 8:44)." There are two classic passages in Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 that have double meaning talking about the Kings of Babylon and Tyre, but also speak of how Satan fell and the attitudes of his heart. Ezekiel 28:15 says something about how Luicifer was perfect in his ways from the day he was created until iniquity was found in his heart. Some think this means Lucifer spent millions of years loving God before rebelling, but that idea must be harmonized with the passages above that speak of Lucifer as if he was created Satan, the adversary, from the beginning. Technically Lucifer was created "perfect", with potential to be good and trust and obey God, but now with deeper understanding of the backstory and preexistence, we can understand better why scripture also describes Satan's individual corruption and angelic rebellion as something that happened so immediately that it could be said they were created that way, since their subconscious minds and memories drove them to do what they did. God knew it was inevitable that Satan would immediately challenge Jesus with Satan's own preexistent ideology, buried deep in his subconscious and driven to the surface by hate and sour grapes for subconsciously he had understanding that he almost won the race/war and became God. Satan spouted his ideology which called for discord, strife, and competition and to force submission to the strongest using pain and suffering as a means to intimidate all by fear into obeying Satan their leader; not all are to be considered to be equal, and enduring pain and suffering for each other in love was to be considered a repulsive and foreign idea, but rather pain and suffering would be considered the right of the strongest to dominate the weaker in power, who were considered inferior, and so the incentive would be to inspire one another to constantly become stronger to dominate others. Satan's subconscious memories of preexistence fueled his imagination to challenge Jesus with notions, partly true, that some random force and chance might have brought them all into existence at the same time and so the clever Jesus was trying to deceive them all with the bluff He was a God who deserves obedience. Jesus was just trying to enslave them all to what he perceived to be a weak philosophy. Naturally, the angels started to gravitate towards their preexistent leaders, as their subconscious memories drove them to relate most to the leader they had chosen in the preexistence. The two factions had reconstituted, Jesus and the light forces versus Satan and the dark forces. Satan then started the war again (but from his point of view for the first time), saying the true God is the one who is strongest in power and might, and he would not submit to a "God" who cannot prove He is "God" according to this definition. As Satan's forces closed in, the good angels were nervous, subconscious memories of enduring pain and suffering in the preexistent war troubling them. But Jesus was calm and peaceful and confident and simply said, "Trust me. All will be fine." Then suddenly all the dark forces were paralyzed with intense pain and agony while a loud and thundering voice said, "I am the One true God, the Almighty Jehovah, Father God! This is my Son. Listen to Him!" The pain stopped, point proven, that Satan and the dark forces are no match at all for Jesus and His Father, who now the angels were aware of, and Jesus expounded further about His mysterious Father God and His Son-like relationship with God. Then Satan's challenge became, "So you have some power. Might is not right! Right is right! And your weak philosophy of good is wrong!" So Jesus proposed a challenge to Satan, a contest of good versus evil to determine who is right. Jesus said He would create a universe and inhabit one planet with an intelligent, but weak physical creature called man. These humans, Adam and Eve, would be given one command to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. To make the contest challenging for both sides and to make the stakes high enough to be motivating for both sides, the contest would be this: if all humans disobey God, either our original parents, or all children born to them, then God will admit He is wrong and step down from ruling the universe and give Satan all His powers and let Satan be God. But if even one human can be perfectly obedient to God in all things, then Satan will admit he is wrong and agree in principle he should obey God and willingly submit in principle to God's assistance to help Satan and his angels obey God, using any and all means necessary, including literal fire punishment if necessary, for as long as necessary, until the tough lesson of obedience is learned. Adam and Eve sinned and all children born to them likewise sinned, except Jesus who perfectly obeyed God in all things and won the contest. If Satan had won, Satan's version of hell, literal fire forever, would be the destiny for us all, but since Jesus won, Jesus' version of hell, redemptive suffering of any and all means necessary, including literal fire for a time even as a last resort if needed, is the standard by which scriptural words about fire will be defined. One's belief about hell is key to understanding both the mind of God and the mind of Satan. One's belief about hell reveals whose side a person is on, God or the devil, and reveals which God that person has more faith in. If the god of this world, Satan, is the true God and won the contest, then literal fire forever is the truth, but if Jesus is the true God and won the contest, then fire is symbolic of any suffering necessary to purify and cleanse and save the soul. More on this concept in later pages. The Bible says everlasting fire was prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41), but only time and experience combined with divine revelation, gives one the fuller picture of the proper definition and understanding of this fire, as well as who are the devil and his angels. In the meantime, the fiery spiritual war rages on for good reasons...more on this in the next chapter.